Talk:Batman: Arkham Knight

EXCITEMENT LEVELS ARE OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously though, I was a BIG fan of Arkham City and Arkham Asylum, it's awesome that were finally getting a sequel to those games. It's also cool that the Batmobile will be drivable, the city will be 5 times as big as Arkham City's, and that it's made for next-gen (those graphics are going to be good!!!).

What Characters will be in the Game?
With Batman: Arkham Knight being the last arkham game, alot of fans are wondering if the villains from the other arkham games will be in there and if there will be new villains as well?

Fan Questions
Why are the Villains working together?

Who is the Arkham Knight? I think Damien WayneBoomerStorm (talk) 21:08, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

Where's Hush?

What about Side missions?

Will there be easter eggs? If there are no easter eggs, it won't be a Rocksteady gameBoomerStorm (talk) 21:02, July 27, 2014 (UTC) BoomerStorm

What about the other villains?

Bane, Black Mask, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, Mad Hatter, and Catwoman

Is it certain that Knight will be released in February?Mick T (talk) 19:45, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

No-Kill Rule

 * Based on demos and trailers, will Batman finally break his own rule?--Nostalgia of Iran (talk) 15:28, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Game Overs
Since all game overs are story exlusive and semi-randomized, its gonna be a while before I post. them all. Its realy easy to miss a few

Forgotten subtlty to the ending
I think there's a few details that the community hasn't picked up on in the ending. I've tried editing, but that was immidiatly thrown out as "not making sense", so allow me to explain:

Joker has been fighting batman for control of his body the entire game. The fear toxins help Joker with this, since they weaken Bruce's hold over his sanity.

Eventually, Batman agrees to be captured and is wheeled into Arkham Asylum on a restraining table. Crane starts taunting him, but Batman responds that "this isn't going to end how you think Crane".

https://youtu.be/5prbhGhLMCU?t=72

Crane prepares to reveal Batman's identity to the world and forces Gordon to do so.

Crane injects the first dose of toxins, and suddenly we switch to a view of Joker having been captured by fellow villains. We go through a sequence where Joker escapes the building and walks out into a burning city. In the background, Alfred starts begging Bruce/Batman to stop this slaughter. Joker laughs it off and warns him that Bruce isn't there anymore and he isn't going to stop.

https://youtu.be/5prbhGhLMCU?t=408

Then we switch back to the room with Gordon and Crane within Arkham Asylum, but it's suddenly joker who is on the restraining table. Crane injects a few more dosages of fear toxin, taunting Joker, who laughs it off and warns him that he isn't going to stop. Crane is surprised that "Bruce" isn't being afraid.

https://youtu.be/5prbhGhLMCU?t=436

We switch back to the alternate universe (presumably within bruce's mind). Joker remarks that apparently he's immune to toxins.

https://youtu.be/5prbhGhLMCU?t=493

We go through the final nightmare sequence. Part-way, Joker mentions that "Batman's Toxin's won't work on him".

https://youtu.be/5prbhGhLMCU?t=611

However, Bruce manages to use Joker's greatest fear against him and locks him up forever. Bruce then returns to being present on the restraining table in Arkham Asylum and resolves the story.

I argue that this entire sequence is more than just Crane injecting Bruce with several doses of poison and Bruce/Joker finally battling it out. That's a reading that ignores quite a few details.

So, why "isn't this going to end the way you think Crane"? Is Batman just surpremely confident that his sheer willpower will solve everything? I'd argue not. Everything that happens afterwards is part of a careful plan.

The first dosage that Batman's body is subjected to on the restraining table, introduces us to a nightmare reality where Joker has taken over Batman's body. Joker drives a Joker-fied version of the Batmobile and Alfred pleads Bruce to stop. This dosage HAS affected Bruce and reveals his greatest fear: to become Joker.

However, in the real world, these dosages really have helped the Joker to truly take over Batman's body. Joker wants nothing more to catch one more whiff of this "delicious gas".

https://youtu.be/kdMWHKPsIzc?t=813

The reason why between the flashbacks, we see Joker on the restraining table inside the real world instead of Bruce, is that this first dosage truly has helped Joker to gain control. From that moment on, Joker is in control. Crane injects a few more dosages, but these are ineffective. It's Joker who reacts to Crane in Joker's way. Bruce is gone.

However, this also means that Crane is now injecting the Toxin into Joker!

When we return to the nightmare sequence, things have changed. It's no longer the nightmare of Bruce having turned into Joker, but it's now all about Joker having been forgotten. At the beginning, Joker still laughs it off as "apparently I'm immune to Toxin!" but why would he say that unless it was truly him that has been injected by toxins in the real world? Joker knows he has been.

Then later on in the second nightmare sequence, Joker also taunts that he knows what "Batman and his Toxin" are trying to do. But Batman doesn't use any Toxin! Crane does! The only reason for this sentence to make sense, is if Joker has figured out that Batman is using Crane's Toxin's against Joker. This is also the reason why Joker is eventually defeated by having his own worst fear used against him.

And there you have it: All of this was part of Batman's plan all along. Bruce realized he couldn't fight off Joker forever, and he has no other choice than hand himself over to Crane, where he realizes Crane will use Fear Toxins on his body. His plan was to allow Joker to take over his body, then allow Crane to use his Toxins on his body, so it would be Joker who is weakened enough for Batman to defeat.

It makes sense.

I'm making the edits to the plot. Feel free to discuss me if you have a persuasive argument as to the opposite. Skirlasvoud (talk) 12:15, June 21, 2019 (UTC)


 * The reason it "didn't make any sense was that your spelling was abysmal and the wording of the original iteration of your sentences were unreadable. You repeated phrases and terms to the point I couldn't understand your poor language.


 * For example you've done it again above in the heading of this section: The word isn't subtlty as you have it spelled, but rather "subtlety". The word you have immidiatly is not a word; I'm assuming you mean "Immediately". And surpremely I assume is supposed to instead be "supremely".


 * It's all fine and good if you want to add new information, but spelling should be correct and the language of the points need to be presented in such a way that the audience can actually READ what you are putting up there. You previous edit was neither. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 15:27, June 21, 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, I understand now. Thanks MDgeist. I recognize that my edits were made in haste and that their contents were below the quality of this wikia. I had planned to correct them later, but my original alterations were gone before I could. Lessons learned. Thank you for the corrections!
 * Skirlasvoud (talk) 15:38, June 21, 2019 (UTC)