Talk:Catwoman/@comment-180.193.79.107-20120110061140

Batman and Catwoman pairing are overrated.

Bruce and Selina. This is far and away, as far as fans are concerned, THE ultimate Bat Romance

However, the problem for me is, its starting to look like DC believes it too...

Yeah, I know about Earth 2 Batman and Catwoman...but, frankly, IMO, the only reason he was married off was because he wasnt THE main Batman anymore...not only that, but between selina, linda page, julie madison, and batwoman...was there ever any doubt who Golden Age Bruce would end up with?

The great thing about Batman is that he dosent have a Mary Jane Watson or a Lois Lane. Depending on the decade, you could lay claim that a certain lady was "The One". In the 70's, Talia or Silver could've taken that title...whereas Selina seemingly rarely showed up, at least not until the end of the decade. In the 80's, it was Selina, or Alfred's relative Julia (However short that was), or the returning Vicki Vale. In the 90's-Early 2000, we had Vesper and Sasha, each good love interests in their own right.

Then... Hush happened...and Bats and Cats were paired together. To be honest, little happened besides Bruce revealing his idenity. The relationship barely got off the ground before it ended. After that, Selina became Bruce's booty call....

So with all that in mind, how the hell do we get to "Heart of Hush", and now Selina was "The only one that had Bruce's heart"?

IMO, Nothing in Modern continuity supports this...in fact, before Hush, the only time Batman and Catwoman had a full on relationship was shortly before the end of pre crisis...40 years after she debuted. And for another 20 years, they wouldnt have a serious relationship...

Now, it was ok when fanboys said "Selina's his soulmate!"...because, lets face it....we're fanboys. But when DC starts believing that too, there's a problem. Sorry, but Post Crisis, Batman has had more serious relationships, IMO. And its worrying that DC believes the hype...because it seems like the deck has been cleared for selina and selina alone.

Talia, possibly the only other woman who can lay claim to being Batman's soulmate is now being portrayed as a psychotic bitter ex girlfriend/Baby Mama. Jezebel Jet we all know about. A potential Wonder Woman relationship was squashed. Vesper's dead. Silver barely appears, and will probably never be seen again due to Marshall Rogers' untimely death. Sasha far from the Batbooks now. And does anyone else find it strange that Dini, the man who loves Zatanna most, unceremoniously wrecked a potential relationship between the two...and then gives us the forced "Heart of Hush" ending with Bruce and Selina? I'm sorry...i wanted to see Bats and Zee...especially written by Paul Dini.

As much as I love Talia and Batman together (Denny O'Neill's idea for the last Batman adventure was awesome) it has been pretty much screwed now. I'm gonna go cry.

People also confuse looking 'hot in costumes' and sexual flirting as some kind of destined relationship. Where's all this chemistry when they're not in costume? Sure, we got the recent jam down your throat version of Bruce's love for Selina. Maybe he does love her. But again, if it were all that, the woman shouldn't have to be DYING for him to say so. Actually, there was a time where his relationship with Ivy was more interesting and complex. And unlike Selina, Pamela was also attracted to Bruce Wayne the same way. They're basically two people with an attraction who play at love on rooftops. As far as St Cloud, people DO have whirlwind romances and find 'the one' like that. Everything doesn't have to be a thirty year, drawn out drama. Bottom line? Bruce ain't sharing anything important with Selina, period. So all the attraction, flirting and 'love' isn't adding up to much.

B/C is WAY overated. I've never really seen what Batman sees in here other than an sexual attraction. Before Talia took over Ra's empire, I felt she and Batman were the best of the batcouples Bruce has had. Sexual and actually romantic.